Articles | Volume 16, issue 5
https://doi.org/10.5194/esd-16-1523-2025
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Special issue:
ESD Ideas: Climate tipping is not instantaneous – the duration of an overshoot matters
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3023', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Dec 2024
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Paul Ritchie, 30 Jan 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3023', Anonymous Referee #2, 05 Dec 2024
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RC3: 'Reply on RC2', Anonymous Referee #2, 05 Dec 2024
- AC2: 'Reply on RC3', Paul Ritchie, 30 Jan 2025
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RC3: 'Reply on RC2', Anonymous Referee #2, 05 Dec 2024
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RC4: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3023', Anonymous Referee #3, 09 Dec 2024
- AC3: 'Reply on RC4', Paul Ritchie, 30 Jan 2025
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ED: Reconsider after major revisions (14 Feb 2025) by Axel Kleidon
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ED: Publish as is (27 Jun 2025) by Axel Kleidon
AR by Paul Ritchie on behalf of the Authors (03 Jul 2025)
Ritchie et al. use a conceptual/mathematical framework to quantify which tipping elements would tip when overshooting 1.5°C global warming on different timescales. The article is concise and well-written, and the methods are clear and well-established. The topic of climate overshoots is obviously very relevant and well-suited for ESD. However, I have some concerns regarding the framing of the results, especially given the expected broad readership, and the lack of an assessment of uncertainties, which should however be straightforward to implement.
General/major comments
1. Novelty: This may of course be due to the length constraints, but the idea does not strike me as particularly “innovative” per the description of the “ESD Ideas” format. For example, overshoots of the Paris Agreement have previously been explored in a more comprehensive setup (including idealized interactions between different tipping elements) by Wunderling et al. (2023), which is not cited. In my view, this does not preclude publication of the present manuscript, but the authors should motivate the need for this piece more explicitly and position it better within the existing literature. One option would be to target a broader/policy-oriented audience. In this case, the following point would be especially relevant.
2. Policy message: Since this is a short article which I expect to be accessible to a rather wide audience, it would be important to both consider and explicitly acknowledge its policy implications and applicability.
Most importantly, the article should be very clear upfront that some (many?) of the underlying overshoot trajectories are neither physically nor socio-economically plausible. For example, a 4–5°C overshoot before a 1.5°C global warming stabilization within 100 years seems clearly unfeasible, but the avoidance of tipping under such unrealistic scenarios could a give a false sense of security that strong warming in the medium term would not be as dangerous. The recent paper by Schleussner et al. (2024) is worth a read (and maybe a cite) in this regard. They conclude: “[T]echnical, economic and sustainability considerations may limit the realization of carbon dioxide removal deployment at such scales [of several hundred gigatonnes]. Therefore, we cannot be confident that temperature decline after overshoot is achievable within the timescales expected today.”
To prevent any misinterpretation by readers or decision-makers, I think it is essential that this article cautions which of the results might be applicable to current global warming and which are not.
3. Minimal assessment of uncertainties: Overshoot timescales of the order of a human lifespan (Fig. 1b) are probably most interesting and relevant for a broad readership. However, assessing overshoots on these timescales in a non-probabilistic way could give a distorted view of the associated risks. In addition, the article is currently not clear about this omission: for example, “three are likely to tip” in L41-42 suggests that some probabilistic assessment might have taken place.
Since Armstrong McKay et al. (2022) provide confidence intervals for all GW level estimates and for most timescale estimates, it should be straightforward to turn the deterministic Fig. 1b into a probabilistic one, which could show a probability distribution (e.g., as a violin plot) of the number of tipped elements for each global warming level when taking into account parameter uncertainty. This would mean that it could not be shown which elements would tip in each case, but I would deem that an acceptable trade-off since the current Fig. 1b is already a part of Fig. 1c. I think it is ok to keep Fig. 1c as it is, but to remind the reader in the text that uncertainties are neglected here.
Specific and minor comments:
L2–3: “as is often assumed”: please provide one or two references that this is indeed the case – maybe from the scientific literature, or from media or the policy sphere. This is an important point because the entire article addresses an alleged common misconception that tipping would be instantaneous, but it is not shown that this misconception actually exists.
L16: The number calculated by the Climate Action Tracker refers to 2100 and the websites explicitly states “Temperatures continue to rise after 2100” (https://climateactiontracker.org/publications/the-climate-crisis-worsens-the-warming-outlook-stagnates/). Since you are discussing stabilization values in this paragraph, could you contextualize this?
Fig. 1: Some tipping elements are hard to distinguish just by color, maybe use colors in combination with different hatching patterns?
Fig. 1c: I am unsure if the current choice of the logarithmic axis is ideal. An overshoot of 10^5 years may at most be relevant for paleoclimate if we frame interglacials as “overshoots” to a glacial background climate, but probably not for the current anthropogenic global warming. This does not mean that the figure needs to be extensively modified, but the large range of overshoot durations should be pointed out (and put in context) explicitly in the text and/or caption. And maybe consider cutting off the axis at (some) 1000 years?
L26 and following: Are the values in Armstrong McKay et al. really derived from an equilibrated climate (as suggested by Fig. 1a) or from transient simulations? If they are derived from transient runs, wouldn’t this lead to a systematic bias when they are used in an equilibrium view?
L29: It would be more reader-friendly to include the Supplement directly within the article (e.g., as an Appendix), if this is allowed by the Editors.
L30 and Suppl. L38: It is not entirely clear how the choice \alpha=1 for all TEs is motivated. Could you check the validity of this assumption, for example, in one or two commonly used conceptual models of some tipping elements (e.g., Stommel model for the AMOC)?
Recently, some overshoot studies have been performed with state-of-the-art numerical models, notably Bochow et al. (2023) for the Greenland ice sheet (see their Fig. 3 for different overshoot durations). It would be very valuable to benchmark (e.g., in the Supplement) your estimates from Fig. 1c against their results to see if the results hold when compared to a comprehensive model.
”Climate Action Tracker” reference should be updated to the most recent version (and equipped with a URL).
Suppl. L23: “as expecting” -> “as expected”
Bochow, N., Poltronieri, A., Robinson, A., Montoya, M., Rypdal, M., & Boers, N. (2023). Overshooting the critical threshold for the Greenland ice sheet. Nature, 622, 528–536. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-023-06503-9
Schleussner, C.-F., Ganti, G., Lejeune, Q., Zhu, B., Pfleiderer, P., Prütz, R., et al. (2024). Overconfidence in climate overshoot. Nature, 634, 366–373. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-024-08020-9
Wunderling, N., Winkelmann, R., Rockström, J., Loriani, S., Armstrong McKay, D. I., Ritchie, P. D. L., et al. (2023). Global warming overshoots increase risks of climate tipping cascades in a network model. Nature Climate Change, 13, 75–82. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41558-022-01545-9