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https://doi.org/10.5194/esd-16-1845-2025
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the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.Late Pliocene ice sheets as an analogue for future climate: a sensitivity study of the polar Southern Hemisphere
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Power et al. assess the high southern latitude climatic impacts of changes in albedo resulting from a smaller (Late Pliocene) Antarctic ice-sheet. This is an interesting study, relevant for past climates and potential future. Some revisions are however necessary before publication.
106: the authors state that “when ice-sheet reductions are included there is a persistent positive phase of the SAM, which intensify the westerly winds”
On Figure 4, timeseries of SAM indices are shown for all the experiments (note that the x axis is missing), and in all cases the SAM index is much lower in the Ei than E case. So the SAM index is less positive when the ice-sheet reductions are taken into account contrarily to the statement above. I note that even in the PI case (E280), the SAM index is centered on 0.2, which seems odd. The authors should double check their results and include a description of their SAM index calculation.
114-115: the authors state that there is a “deepening of the Amundsen sea low with stronger winds and stormier conditions”, but this is not shown and it sounds to me more like a simple description of what is expected under positive SAM than in the simulations presented. If you want to keep that statement, then please show the changes in SLP or geopg in a more convincing way as this is really not evident from Fig. 3 c,d. In addition, the two statement above are contrary to the statement L.163-164: “our simulations do not indicate significant changes in the wind regime over Antarctic and the Southern Ocean.” These contradictory statements and figures suggest that the authors need to carefully look at their results and assess whether there are significant changes in the winds or not. Please show the wind changes.
118: The authors suggest that the poleward contraction of the westerlies amplifies the upwelling, which accelerates sea-ice melting from below. Related to the comment above, are there significant changes in the westerlies in your simulations? Please show the wind and upwelling changes.
Figure 5 does not seem appropriate to discuss AABW changes. I) the AABW in E280 should be shown. Ii) the AABW taken through this calculation seems really low and does not seem to reflect the lower limb of the MOC as seen on Figure 7. Is your value of the global stream function south of 60S and below 500m even negative (ie anticlockwise circulation)? In fact, on your figure 7, the lower limb of the MOC does seem weaker in Ei400 than E400. Coarse resolution models do have issues representing AABW formation, and on Figure 7, there does not seem to be any downwelling branch south of 60S (ie anti-clockwise circulation south of 60S). Please re-assess your statements L. 153-156.
170-174: I am confused about this paragraph. Is this a statement based on what has been shown in previous studies or based on the authors’ results? If the former, then references are critically needed. If the latter, then this should be shown as it does not seem to be what is obtained here (ie SAM is less positive when the albedo decreases over Antarctica), and references to the figures where it is shown should be included.
4. An improved discussion of the results in comparison to previous studies is needed.
For example, previous studies looking into the mid-Pliocene (Weiffenbach et al., 2023, Climate Past, https://cp.copernicus.org/articles/20/1067/2024) and Last Interglacial (Yeung et al., 2024, Com. Earth & Env., https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01383-x) highlighted the impact of Southern Ocean warming and reduced sea-ice on stratification and AABW formation, with potential feedbacks on the AIS.
The impact of AIS loss on climate was also studied in Hutchinson et al., 2024 (Nat. Com., https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45501-x). While in that study, changes in orography were also taken into account, it seems relevant to include this study in the discussion as the climatic impact seems much smaller in Hutchinson et al than in your study.
5. Line by line comments:
60, 61: Please include the references to the mid-holocene, Last interglacial and mid-Pliocene simulations.
124: If I understand correctly, there is no ice-sheet model. Marine ice sheet instabilities parametrization is only relevant for ice-sheet models.
Legend of figure 5: Please include the area or latitudinal band of the Southern Ocean that was used for this graph.
131: the reason for the interannual to decadal variability is not shown here, so this seems like a speculation and it does not seem relevant to the study.
163-164: Please re-assess if this correct after looking into the wind changes (see comment 3 above).
203-208: this paragraph might need to be a bit modified. Even though there are some uncertainties associated with Antarctic topography after the loss of WAIS, it seems that it would be more consistent to do so. I have no problem with the study only looking at the impact of changes in albedo, but the authors have to acknowledge that assessing the impact changes in orography is also important.